defense secretary leon panetta going to be hosting afghan hamid karzai at the pentagon. karzai has a busy schedule. he's meeting with hillary clinton. he visited leaders yesterday on capitol hill. and he will sit down with president obama. and nbc's tia who is normally there is here with us. >> thank you. good to be. >> you met with karzai. you did an interview with him. give us your perspective on his visit here? >> it should be interesting. what they're trying to do is get the serious ball rolling on what america's future in afghanistan is going to be. president obama had strong words in the interview, particularly to the united states. i think he's being realistic in the fact that america may not have much of a presence after 2014. and he's trying to get his ducks in a row for afghanistan's future. although president karzai, if you think about it, there's going to be another election in 2014. he's not going to be the president of afghanistan. right now, what he's focusing on is helping his own legacy. >> and how many could be left behind. it could be zero, maybe 3,000